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Building a soft tail, How does choice of frame and components affect quality?

<em>Harrison_Rocks</em>'s picture
By Harrison_Rocks on 9/20/2006

I am ready to buy my first soft tail. When measuring performance, durability and overall quality, the devil may be in the details. Can someone help me understand more about issues in building a full suspension bike?

Obsessing over shaving grams off the weight is not a luxury I can afford. Neither is buying a bike that does not meet my needs. My needs are a matter of function, not ego. I do want to keep the weight down within reason. XT or comparable quality components are a good baseline for my expectations.

I walked into a bike shop and was blown away by the prices of the complete ready to ride bikes in stock with high end build kits. The frame, made in Taiwan as are most frames, was a lesser know brand.

One rider said to his buddy, “There isn't too much room for radical changes in bicycle design, I'll give you that. Four bar designs are a dime a dozen, as are single pivots. However, it’s the subtle details that make the bikes ride the way they do, and they aren't happy accidents. Boatloads of cash and years of experience are used to get these subtle details correct. Trek, Cannondale, Santa Cruz, Ellsworth and everyone else may have similar designs but they all ride differently.

Great prices raise questions about exactly how the bikes with lesser known frames can offer comparable quality and be sold profitably when compared to prices of what appear to be comparably equipped bikes with name brand frames sold at other local bike shops. With an established brand frame, what do you get for the money beyond the “personal service and Bling appeal?” How do we make a meaningful comparison between bike frames and components in the context of a complete ready to ride bike?

As an example, an off brand frame with XT build kit, along with other name brand components was priced less than just the build kit and components without a frame at some local bike shops. In many bike shops I notice details such as an XT equipped bike with an LX crank set. This detail is explained as “necessary to meet a price point.”

Within a product line like XT, there is more than one model of XT rear derailleur and XT wheel sets; each with its own variations in price point, design and materials. Is this how bike shops squeeze more profit? How does it affect the overall quality of the bike, and especially the ride? On what components will going for the higher end component make a real difference?

The type of rider affects what makes the right bike. With all the great local terrain around Asheville (Pisgah, Tsali…), I enjoy a passion for mountain biking and ride four or five days a week for two hours or more. I enjoyon long ascents up logging roads and single track followed by wild descents down single track that can be buff, have huge berms on turns, super fast woop de woops and rocky tech sections all in one trail, often several miles in length. I am an XC/All Mountain rider. I put a lot of wear and tear on a bike. Durability and reliability are important considerations. My height and weight may be considerations, 73 inches and 178lbs.

I respect and want to support our local bike shops. I also need to be a well informed buyer who gets a fair deal.

That said, I’m riding a midrange hard tail frame with components that I have upgraded over time. The upgraded components have made a noticeable difference. I’m still grinning from yesterday’s ride even after my butt was bumping off the seat and my legs were fatigued from standing during bumpy descents. I’m ready for a soft tail, NOW! Still, it’s really all about the ride!

Advice, experiences and insights?

4 comments

walker says:

<em>walker</em>'s picture

First off, I have to tell you a story. I was once in Asheville. About 10 years ago, my parents took me to the Biltmore estate and to downtown Asheville. The funny thing was we didn't hike, climb or ride. Can you imagine the puppy dog look in my face. We are passing through all of these beautiful crags and hills and I'm depressed. I'll have to get back at my parents for that one! SHAME! My answers to your concerns:

  1. Go for XT or SRAM 9.0. The stuff lasts and you'll save money.
  2. Ride a fabricated bike design. You'll want to know what works and fits. Getting on the right geometry is like heaven. You just KNOW this bike frame is for your body.
  3. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BIKE SHOP. I built a Specialized M5 Epic and I needed help. Guess what? Because I bought the frame and parts from the local shop, they would gave me helping hand.
  4. Buy a copy of Zinn and the Art of Mountain Bike Maintenance
  5. Buy the best wheels on the market. I don't save on wheels. I think wheels are the most important part of the bike.
  6. Buy FOX shocks. You'll be very impressed with the rear suspension designs.
  7. Buy FOX or Rock Shox forks.
  8. Buy a bike stand.
  9. Buy a Park tool kit.
  10. Go tubeless. You'll thank me for it later.

I'm sure other readers will have some pointers. I hope I've been helpful...

 

Walker T Off the road, on the mind...

Harrison_Rocks says:

<em>Harrison_Rocks</em>'s picture

"Those who are not willing to go too far will never know how far they can go"

Walker,

Your response is thoughtful and helpful.

First, what I have done on your list:

1. I have a copy of Zen and the Art of Bike Maintenance. A few pages have greasy thumb prints.

2. I have visited several of the local bike shops here in Asheville; Biowheels, CarolinaFatz, and Ski Country. I've made a few purchases like a new chain, a Park cable cutter, shoes and gloves; not exactly the purchases of a big spender.

I told them I was shopping for a full suspension bike, could not make a purchase immediately, and hoped to do it soon. Without exception persons at each bike shop treated me with respect, were friendly, and took time to make recommendations and answer questions thoughtfully. I never felt I was being treated differently because of how much I could spend or my time frame for the purchase.

3. I have a 15 year old Park bike stand, a collection of quality tools (most of them Park), I enjoy doing routine maintenance like replacing cables and housing and other routine things. I also know my limits and when to take my bike to a professional.

On your other recommendations:

1.I’m convinced about the fox shocks for the rear and am exploring options, including Marzocchi and Manitou for the front. I had Rock Shox on an old Trek hard tail and enjoyed the ride.

2.I will heed your recommendations about tubeless tires and getting the best wheels possible. It’s good to know the wheel set expenditure will make a significant difference. I’m not exactly sure which wheel sets are best for my riding and budget.

3.The biggest challenge will be the frame geometry and fitting the bike. How do I determine what is the best frame geometry. I’m 73 inches tall, 178lbs with long legs and arms. Are specific frame models from different manufacturers better suited to specific body types? Do the subtle details and well thought out designs from companies like Santa Cruz, Ellsworth, Intense and Specialized make their frames more adaptable to a superior fit for a variety of body types?

On the actual purchase:

1. I feel good about doing business with each of the bike shops mentioned; living close to them is a plus.

2. While local shops do offer savings for build kits, I'm sure each of us is tempted by the special deals on specific components available from the big online bike stores.

3. I am doing my homework on how to recognize when I'm getting a fair deal from my local bike shop that can help me assemble a bike that is right for me.

4. I was a ski bumb and worked in a ski shop.We gave the same respect the customers gave us and appreciated when a customer asked intelligent questions.

szedhr says:

<em>szedhr</em>'s picture

I agree with going to your LBS. You might have to pay more, but you'll probably get a lot of support, etc.

"What can you do with a road bike?"

Harrison_Rocks says:

<em>Harrison_Rocks</em>'s picture

"Those who are not willing to go too far will never know how far they can go"

Walker,

You really need to resolve that childhood issue by getting to Asheville to ride. Riding doesn't get any better than around Asheville with the autumn weather and the fall foliage!

The local culture is as colorful as the leaves and as entertaining as the riding.

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